Here's a new definition of pathetic: I am a member of a email list for no other reason than the spam. Well, I didn't join xemacs-win for the spam. I joined because I wanted to talk to some folks who could explain some of the unexplained bits of the documentation. So far, no luck at all. There don't appear to be any helpful folks on that list. What there IS on that list is 6-10 spams per day, usually for viagra clones. Normally, I only get 1-3 spams per week, and so it has been taking FOREVER to train my spam filter. I just didn't have enough examples of what I wanted it to filter out. Since I joined xemacs-win, its had enough to chew on and has started correctly categorizing the spams that I do get.