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swestrup ([personal profile] swestrup) wrote2006-11-29 02:58 am

Statistics Help?

I've been wondering what sort of statistical distribution governs things like the ranking of countries by population. I've spend a bunch of hours trying to figure out if you get a well-known distribution curve by plotting these values on a bar graph, but so far I've not had any luck.

And naturally all of the statistical mathematics I've found on the subject assume far more knowledge of the subject than I have, and uses non-standard mathematical terminology to boot (statistics historically uses its own bizarre set of mathematical terms which don't mean the same as their counterparts in the rest of math.)

Does anyone on my f-list know enough to lend a hand?  What I'm basically trying to do here is to figure out how to generate this sort of table for a random world given a set population and a number of other (to be determined) input parameters.

[identity profile] sps.livejournal.com 2006-11-29 03:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Well—what's the model? What is a ‘country’? I'm afraid fifteen seconds contemplation of that question leads me to believe that it's too chaotic to expect anything in particular. I'm not even sure that another planet would converge on the same formal notion of country that we seem to have. I suspect it's a legal fiction arising from the details of european history.

[identity profile] hendrikboom.livejournal.com 2006-11-29 04:12 pm (UTC)(link)
What's specific about European history here? Isn't it a matter of kings/warlords/emporers duking it out? Hasn't that been much the same everywhere there was enough subsistence to support an army?

[identity profile] sps.livejournal.com 2006-11-29 07:05 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not so sure. Much of the world is much less obsessed by territory. Even in Scotland I'm not sure that the fealty model was so top-down. Clans that happen to inhabit a certain area might be part of an association or owe fealty to a laird, but that does not mean that the laird rules over the territory and could hand it to someone else, does it?

Tribal associations may be a natural, emergent human structure, but binding them to lines on a map and then letting those lines supercede the human relations seems quite European to me.

[identity profile] sps.livejournal.com 2006-11-29 07:07 pm (UTC)(link)
...And a consequence of the royal houses all being family and not ‘duking it out’ (except perhaps in the punning sense), but settling matters behind the scenes as business and social relations, not among the people but among the Families.